tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post8518000285727118751..comments2023-10-28T17:27:31.385+03:00Comments on 2 Grand Cru: More Thoughts About Scoring Wines2GrandCruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16677145557411276062noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-1577647921935281892007-05-30T21:24:00.000+03:002007-05-30T21:24:00.000+03:00Hi Richard:There is an inherent error in what you ...Hi Richard:<BR/><BR/>There is an inherent error in what you suggest: "...critics should likely at least agree on key categories for discussing the judged item...".<BR/><BR/>The fact is they don't. One critic's intense, fruity and rich is another's "over-ripe" and another's luscious and rich is yet another's overoaked and overweight, and the examples go on and on. The most famous example of this in the last few years was the Jancis Robinson versus Robert Parker assessment of a recent vintage of Chateau Pavie. <BR/>I once attended a lecture given by the well established British wine critic Gerald Asher. He read out a Parker description of a wine (he didn't say what) that clearly impressed Parker and was given a very high rating. In Asher's opinion, the description would be disastrously atypical for a red Burgundy (Pinot Noir), and yet in the end he revealed that was precisely Parker had written about.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06429870818755160476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-25679774772113177492007-05-29T03:33:00.000+03:002007-05-29T03:33:00.000+03:00I enjoyed your posting.I think there is a differen...I enjoyed your posting.<BR/><BR/>I think there is a difference between personal enjoyment and professional tasting/judging.<BR/><BR/>For purely personal enjoyment, I absolutely think that "good wine" is what the drinker defines it to be - people should find (and then work to expand) their own tastes.<BR/><BR/>When it comes to any type of professional criticism, though, I think critics should likely at least agree on Key Categories for discussing the judged item - with wine it might be a handful of areas like complexity, balance, etc. Clearly differernt critics will have different sweet spots within the ranges on each of those categories (and maybe some critics will suggest new categories or spots others had not heard of).<BR/><BR/>And I also, as an aside, have found that the best way to "make use of" professional critics notes is intra-rater (in other words to compare the critics ratings against their own other ratings instead of comparing notes from different critics).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18103640787464994440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-37014865224355450812007-05-28T23:44:00.000+03:002007-05-28T23:44:00.000+03:00Hi Chaim, You can leave out scores. The way I see ...Hi Chaim, You can leave out scores. The way I see it, if a friend offered to pick up a mixed case of California Zins for me - at his or her expense, and money was no object - would I ask for a Turley to be among them? Heck no. And that adds up to a lot more than 90+ points.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06429870818755160476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-74893366313267843042007-05-28T20:07:00.000+03:002007-05-28T20:07:00.000+03:00I want to explain what I meant by "overnight". If ...I want to explain what I meant by "overnight". If you take a non-Western man (or woman), who has <B>never</B> been exposed to Western civilization,and played Mozart to them, they wouldn't be able to relate to it at all. In any sense. Their culture hasn't prepared them to even relate to thw western scales and harmonics. At that moment, you can't communicate the aesthetics with them. A 21 century Western person would be able to relate to African drum music because it has infiltrated to Western blues, rock, hip hop, even jazz.<BR/><BR/>About the music industry, what you're saying was probably truer until about 5-7 years ago. First of all, the music the big labels are selling might be crap and familiar crap at that but it wouldn't have <B>become</B> familiar crap in the first place if it wasn't a successful <I>meme</I>. After that, since salespeople like to sell things that have sold well in the past, the big record companies won't look for the thing. But over the years, new styles have seeped in from the fringes. Rap and hip hop is a good example. I think the internet has changed that in both obvious and subtle ways. <BR/> <BR/>It's obvious a lot of people who buy wines by Parker scores actually enjoy them. I think a lot of people who disagree with Parker feel he doesn't <I>get</I> certain styles. But that only means he's being true to his taste and not to popular perceptions of those styles.2GrandCruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16677145557411276062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-79200094672754433702007-05-28T19:16:00.000+03:002007-05-28T19:16:00.000+03:00I never said overnight, I agree it is a process a...I never said overnight, I agree it is a process and not all of them might like it. And about Fela Anikulapo Kuti, I am not even suprised. After all it is the western civilization that makes the tune in our world ..<BR/><BR/>It is like Robert Parker with wines. You don't need to agree with him to see the wine industry is changing by his reviews. The same is what people are listening too. They rather listen to what the big music labels advertise then to search a good music by themself. Modern world judgment is very tricky.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00560497392111082223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-79996474464467393592007-05-28T07:16:00.000+03:002007-05-28T07:16:00.000+03:00I don't think the natives in Africa will be able t...I don't think the natives in Africa will be able to enjoy and understand Mozart overnight. Same for our appreciation of African music. My Fela Anikulapo Kuti CD isn't exactly a hit at home and it's actually quite western.2GrandCruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16677145557411276062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3178846643922349518.post-22666417530942011872007-05-28T00:19:00.000+03:002007-05-28T00:19:00.000+03:00I won't scream when you will put the Minutemen, ac...I won't scream when you will put the Minutemen, actually I might be very pleased.<BR/><BR/>I think a good judgments is based on:<BR/>1. Personal taste (like in music).<BR/>2. Other wines (like in music, I judge bands when I compare them to smiliar bands).<BR/>3. Rating wine/album it doesn't really matter to other products of the artist or vinegar.<BR/><BR/>But, a big one ... Taste can change in everything you consume. Natives in Africa will be able to listen to Mozart as we can to listen to drum beats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com